master
3:45 Mon Aug 16
Re: ⚽ Newcastle v West Ham - Official Match Thread FT 2-4
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OneAll 12:58 Mon Aug 16
Ha, child. Piss off.
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BRANDED
3:44 Mon Aug 16
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It IS a penalty if the officials decide it is. That is the very definition of a penalty. They decide on what they see. Why have officials otherwise?
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Mr. Burns
3:42 Mon Aug 16
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I thought it was quite a difficult one to assess from the angles. I certainly didn’t think it was a complete howler from the ref, and couldn’t tell if the defender kicked the ball or not. It didn’t deviate at all. Not like Burnley goal that was an obvious push, ridiculous that wasn’t overturned.
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scott_d
3:30 Mon Aug 16
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I think what used to confuse me is the myth that anything is acceptable if you touch the ball.
It's not. You can take the ball and still cause a foul and likewise, taking the ball does not mean it wasn't a foul.
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gph
3:14 Mon Aug 16
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I'm with FCJ and KZ here - the defender made heavy contact with the Fornals without depriving him of possession.
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Mad Dog
3:08 Mon Aug 16
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It wasn't a penalty.
But we've been screwed by refs so much over the years I'll take it.
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Full Claret Jacket
1:57 Mon Aug 16
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It was a soft penalty but given he did get Fornals legs on the follow through and didn't get enough on the ball to stop Fornals getting to it if he hadn't taken him down (which was shown by the fact that Fornals still got something on the ball as he was falling.) . For me it's a foul and the Newcastle player was a bit reckless sliding in. I can see why it was given and I would have been seething to see us concede that way but I've seen many players win penalties by kicking one of our defenders and dive or even trip themselves up in the box over the years.
The penalty was missed anyway and the rebound scored as Soucek was more switched on than the defence who had a chance there to block or clear. Soucek had the same amount of ground to cover as they did and isn't known for his electric pace.
Good play won the game, not the penalty decision.
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Kaiser Zoso
1:41 Mon Aug 16
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I thought it was a clear cut penalty. Still do.
He fouled Fornals without getting much on the ball, if anything. Formals partially skipped above the challenge but it’s a foul all day long.
Who cares anyway. We ran out deserved winners. They'll be in the bottom few all season, fucking rubbish Brucey ball hoofing cloggers.
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Eerie Descent
1:41 Mon Aug 16
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The pathetically soft penalties given to the TOP SIX every week, which normally get a 'he shouldn't have been making that challenge', and they're up in arms about that yesterday?
It was a stupid challenge, it looked a penalty in real time, I saw loads much worse than that last season. We should have got at least 5 penalties last year that we didn't.
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threesixty
1:33 Mon Aug 16
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Getting the ball first doesn't mean its not a foul right?
All sorts of reasons for fouls (recklessness etc..). I think it becomes subjective at some point.
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defjam
1:25 Mon Aug 16
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OneAll 12:58 Mon Aug 16
'Fuck off master , what’s with all these new user names , now we’re in Europe have we attracted the glory hunters ?'
Master has been posting on here far longer than you. :)
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El Scorchio
1:22 Mon Aug 16
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I thought it was a pen in real time, but it was a bit soft on replay, IF Murphy got a touch on the ball. I'd be insisting he did if it were one of our players and I wouldn't be happy about it, but it was not a wise challenge. At least Fornals didn't act the cunt with a massive dive and scream like a lot of players would.
For the Sky panel to all rubbish the decision was a bit unfair. It wasn't as clear cut as that IMO. Incomparable to some of Salah's regular acrobatics, for example.
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BillyJenningsBoots
1:21 Mon Aug 16
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All the pundits are saying it was never a penalty - usually at least someone says it was!
I personally thought it was very soft.... and turned the game in our favour
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Lee Trundle
1:14 Mon Aug 16
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BillyJenningsBoots 12:58 Mon Aug 16
I'd have been fuming if that was given against us, but all I'm saying is that Murphy's reaction probably made the ref think that is was a penalty if he was unsure about making a decision.
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goose
1:09 Mon Aug 16
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Other way round I’d be saying “that’s a stupid challenge to be making”.
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goose
1:08 Mon Aug 16
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I thought it was a pen.
Got the ball after going through Fornals. Anywhere on the pitch it’s a free kick.
Why Bruce thinks being 300 miles away makes a difference I have no idea. If anything they have an easier job being impartial.
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BillyJenningsBoots
12:58 Mon Aug 16
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Trundle
really did you see Fornal's reaction - he jumped up in the air...
If that had gone their way would you say it was a Pen?
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OneAll
12:58 Mon Aug 16
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Fuck off master , what’s with all these new user names , now we’re in Europe have we attracted the glory hunters ?
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Lee Trundle
12:52 Mon Aug 16
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If it wasn't a penalty, then why did Murphy look so guilty after the challenge? I don't think he helped himself with that reaction.
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BillyJenningsBoots
12:50 Mon Aug 16
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As much as it pains me cos I hate that softly spoken gargoyle faced northerner - Bruce - but he was right about the penalty - it was very soft.
We don't seem to be talking about that - but if they'd had a pen for that contact we'd be livid!!!!
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Huffers
12:25 Mon Aug 16
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I cant imagine Southgate would watch that game because of his Godson to be honest.
However, I do agree that its unlikely Bowen will ever be a regular for England, because of the high profile competition.
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